Took the missus and tin lids away for a few days and there is a creek nearby. Just so happens that I had the rods in the car so went down for a look late in the day. Creek was really weedy so sub surface was out and poppers, etc were difficult requiring long and accurate casts. Set the kids and wife up with some little plastic bass size frogs weed less that they could flick around and I punched away with poppers. Third cast in missus gets a bow wave follow and then next cast gets a big Barra boof almost at her feet. Well that was it. Couldn't get her to leave. A progression of Bass, catties and the occasional Barra boofs/hits/rolls or bow waves had her wanting more. Kids had the same attention so three more surface frog addicts are created.