Hi Mick, you are right there mate, I intend to take him live bait fishing for the big girls in September, have caught and released some cracker lizards in Ningi Creek over the years using livies, however have been learning to use plastics with some success during last 12 months, I am an old dog so learning some new skills using the plastics, young fella has taken to using them like a duck to water, thanks for your response